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Title: CFB Gagetown - Toxic Chemicals - 1956-1984
Post by: Kenneth H. Young on April 18, 2009, 10:33:49 am
Hello Fellow Veterans,

I have been asked to place up the Gagetown Board again as there will be more Vet of that era in this forum and that the information is of importance to any and all Veterans who did any training or were posted to CFB Gagetown during the Toxic Chemical Defoliation testing years of 1956 through 1984. But even this is a bit misleading because in 2005 when soil samples were taken (to only 10 cm depth) many came back a still above the acceptable levels for Dioxin and at least one was at a level of 173 times or 17,300% the acceptable levels for TCDD Dioxin the most toxic substance know to man.

Clones and Murphy's Bivouac areas were also contaminated and the drinking water wells found to contain three yet unregulated Hydro carbonated Benzenes. The surprising part here is that Murphy's Bivouac is at least 19 km from the nearest US test site and is within the 1 km no spray zone of the base parameter line. It was in fact never sprayed and yet still came back contaminated almost 40 years after the last TCDD Dioxin was reported to have been sprayed.

Everyone and their dogs are talking about Agent Orange when it was only 2% of the chemicals used in Gagetown while Agent White which contains Hexachlorobenzene (HCB) yet another member of the POP 12 most deadly substances which has its own long list of medical conditions associated with HCB and was approximately 98% of the chemicals used on Base, has been virtually ignored.

There have been many reasons suggested for this one being that, "Agent Orange," is a generic term which is used to describe all chemicals used in Gagetown but if this is true why isn't there any of the Agent White specific medical conditions listed in the ex-gratia compensation package which was offered for 66 & 67 US spraying? I or in my opinion it may well be because HCB destroys the immune system, leaving soldiers open to any and all adverse medical conditions and Ottawa with something they do not wish to deal with.

I will not try to duplicate all postings that I have already posted at the RCR site, a;though some will be also posted here, but I will try to report and maintain this one from here on out.

Feel free to post comments and personal experience about Gagetown, your medical problems and so forth.
 

Cpl. Kenneth H. Young CD (ret)


Title: Re: CFB Gagetown - Rally Protest May 19th
Post by: Kenneth H. Young on April 18, 2009, 10:40:16 am
Dear Veterans Today,

Many different groups of Canadian Forces Base (CFB) Gagetown victims will be holding a Protest Rally on May the 19th.  in New Brunswick, Canada at the town of St. Stephen right against the US Border. Widows on the war path, Agent Orange Alert, Agent Orange Association of Canada, The British Colombia Gagetown Survivors Group and many ex-Military associations to name just a few have joined to demand proper handling of the CFB Gagetown Toxic Chemical defoliation Program issue and to demand a Full Public and Judicial Inquiry into Canadian use of toxic chemicals in Gagetown.

Gagetown is where the Canadian Government ordered and allowed over 3.2 million Litres/Pounds of Agent Orange, Purple and White to be sprayed on their own soldiers or in areas where they were about to train. Many Maine National Guards and British soldiers also trained during the same time of spraying each year. Canada sprayed Chemicals which contained TCDD Dioxin and Hexachlorobenzene (HCB), arsenic and other known dangerous chemicals. Spraying took place almost every year from 1956 through 1984 with little regard for the safety of military personal and the many civilian who worked at the camp or lived around it's borders.

On May the 19th. 2009 we will be holding our first rally protest for the Gagetown Victims. in St Stephen because that is where the office of the Minister of Veteran Affairs Greg Thompson is. We will be gathering on a sports field beside the Royal Canadian Legion Hall in St Stephen around 13:00 Hrs (1 PM) and at 14:00 Hrs (2 PM) we will commence our rally march (more like a slow walk now-a-days) of just over two city blocks to his office, where we will present him with our demands for a Public Inquiry and email letters from those of you who are unable to attend but still wish to participate.

We realize that many people may not be able to join us Gagetown Veterans and Victims at Greg Thompson's Office on the 19th of May to protest their handling of the Gagetown Issue and to demand a, "Full Public and Judicial Inquiry."

If you are unable to join us but would still like to support our effort (and no I am not asking for money) Please email Gary Goode gary1@telus.net with a letter of support and your request that a, "Full Public and Judicial Inquiry take place." Gary will have them printed and will present them along with our petition to call for an Inquiry.

We could use your help in this issue and will be thankful for any support.

Thank you in Advance.



Cpl. Kenneth H. Young CD (ret)


Title: Re: CFB Gagetown - Blowback the book
Post by: Kenneth H. Young on April 18, 2009, 10:42:25 am
Although this one is finished there will be more.
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Launch: Blowback a Canadian History of Agent Orange and the War at Home | rabble.ca
Start: Apr 14 2009 - 7:00pm
End: Apr 14 2009 - 9:00pm
Location(s)
Dalhousie Student Union Building
6316 University Ave
Halifax, NS

Canada
See map: Google Maps

“a marvelously revealing work of independent, investigative journalism… the book is a virtual catalogue of mistakes and missteps by governments … a convincing example of objective reporting and writing on a profoundly important subject in Atlantic Canada.”

- Alec Bruce, Atlantic Books (an insert in the Globe and Mail)


The village of Enniskillen, a sleepy cluster of a few dozen houses in New Brunswick’s Queens County, has never been invaded by a foreign power. But during the 1950s to 1970s, the village was ground zero for a different kind of offensive, this one launched by the American and Canadian military against its own people with the deadly dioxin Agent Orange. Between 1956 and 1984 the Canadian military and its private subcontractors sprayed more than 1 million litres of rainbow herbicides around New Brunswick. The American military was invited to test Agent Purple and other toxins on Canadian soil after the chemicals had been banned by the U.S. Congress.

This is the story of a war coming home; a story of the military and economic currents that allowed Agent Orange to blow through trees and into rivers in New Brunswick. More than anything, it’s a story of soldiers, civilians and local residents who blew back against the government and companies who poisoned them.

Contact name:
chris arsenault
Contact email:
arsenault_chris@hotmail.com
Launch: Blowback a Canadian History of Agent Orange and the War at Home | rabble.ca.


Title: Re: CFB Gagetown - Toxic Chemicals - 1956-1984
Post by: Kenneth H. Young on April 18, 2009, 10:46:25 am
Best Mouse trap in town.
 
Many people have praised and just as many have condemned Chris Arsenault's book, "Blowback", "A Canadian History of Agent Orange and the war at home".
 
I look at it this way. We may want and may even need to build a better mouse trap but until we do this is not only the best mouse trap around but it is the only mouse trap in town. So until someone builds a better mouse trap, use the one you have or learn to live with the mice.
 
Every single History book I have ever read has errors and omissions if for no other reason then every person sees history through their own eyes and with their own preconceptions of what actually happened. Look at Louis Real's story or Custard's last stand and you can see that it all depends on your point of view whether they were heroes of villains, whether they were right or wrong and whether History has treated them fairly or not.
 
The problem with the Gagetown story is the scale of it. We now have enough documentation to fill a 22 volume Encyclopedia with boring facts numbers and dates which nobody in their right mind would want or bother to read. There are at least 440,000 personal stories to tell and no one book could possibly do it justice. The scale of Gagetown is almost unbelievable You know, Sometimes I have the feeling that not many people have put this Gagetown thing into perspective 440,000 Victims is like 5 cities the size of Fredericton being wiped out by there own government, almost the population of Newfoundland and more then 3 times the total population of PEI.
 
There is nothing in this book that can not be easily corrected in the next book whoever writes it. But until then it is the only book in town that is getting our story, our sorrow and our tribulations out there to the general public. Because this is a story which needs to be told and told now, not 10 years down the road if any of us live that long to write it, we need to accept it even though some may not want to indorse the book.
 
A sure fire remedy for those of you who do not wish to support this book is to get off of your duffs and write a better book but until then accept the fact that this is the best book available on the CFB Gagetown NB. Toxic Chemical Defoliation Atrocity, today. And after they write their book there will be two best books on the subject.
 
 
Cpl. Kenneth H. Young CD (ret)


Title: Re: CFB Gagetown - Toxic Chemicals - 1956-1984
Post by: Kenneth H. Young on April 18, 2009, 10:50:18 am
Saskatchewan/Gagetown Class Action Delayed Once More
Cpl. Kenneth H. Young CD (ret)
Nanaimo, B.C.

On January 30, 2009, Justice Zarzeczny' s handed down his written decision thereby dismissing the applications to stay court proceedings in reference to the CFB Gagetown Toxic Chemical Defoliant, class action law suit proceedings in Saskatchewan, sought by Ottawa, Pharmacia and Dow. This would seem to have meant that the court dates would proceed on schedule for Mar 9-13 but alas not so.
Pharmacia  served a notice of constitutional question respecting the class actions act of Saskatchewan, and the government is moving to cross-examine some of our affidavit deponents which without a doubt will be opposed by the Merchant law Group, leaving the court (Justice Zarzeczny) little other choice then to choose alternative dates where there would be more time for the parties in questions to present their submissions and/or arguments. The last week in April and first week in May were set aside to deal with this because it was the first date when all counsel and the court would be available.



Now I have never been one of the people who put all that much strength in the old wives tale that if you leave the scene of a crime that it indicates guilt but if a party, in this case the Government of Canada, Pharmacia and Dow, has nothing to hide, if they have done nothing wrong and if the soldiers from CFB Gagetown didn't die needlessly due to Political and the Chemical Industries' neglect and bungling of chemical formulas or the registration process, why are all defendants trying every trick in the book and some that will have to be added to it later, to prevent this case from ever coming to trial? Why is there a gag order on most of the evidence? And why are most of the news media staying away from this both National and International story as if it were the plague?

Seems to me if I were innocent that I would want to get it over with as soon and inexpensively as possible, yet here we are some 4 years with Class actions pending in British Columbia, Saskatchewan, Manitoba, Ontario, Quebec, New Brunswick, Nova Scotia and Newfoundland and Labrador and we the victims (Plaintiffs') still do not even have leave to file a class action law suit with respect to CFB Gagetown. There is little doubt that combined legal fees may be approaching if they haven't already surpassed the amounts paid out in the ex gratia so called compensation package.

But what is so bad, what secret is so awful that none of the defendants wish it to be brought to trial, or brought to the eyes and ears of the Canadian public and dealt with once and for all, before all of the plaintive are dead? I sometimes wonder if there is not more to it then just the Rainbow Chemicals, some dark and dirty secret which the parties in question fear might be brought to light if this did go to trial.


Ken


Title: Re: CFB Gagetown - Toxic Chemicals - 1956-1984
Post by: Kenneth H. Young on April 18, 2009, 10:52:01 am
Asking the tough questions

Re: Agent Orange compensation


It's somewhat disconcerting that after almost four years of the Canadian Forces Base Gagetown story hitting the airwaves, reporters today are still misquoting, misdating and underestimating the events, the impact on the people and the toxic chemicals sprayed there.

Many reporters seem to be using the issue as an easy space filler which needs neither investigation nor accuracy.

Dates of the spraying, chemicals used, areas sprayed, spraying accidents, the government's inactions and number of possible victims, don't seem to matter as long as you quote some politician who knows even less about Gagetown than the reporter does.

In many cases, facts, which are well documented in the very same papers, are presenting incorrect information to the general public and being ignored.

Apparent facts found in the BGAFFP's task # 1 final report are that more than 7,000 regular military personnel were identified as being stationed at CFB Gagetown during summer training for the years 1966 and 1967 and that 358 civilians were identified as employed by CFB Gagetown during the years 1966 and 1967.

Eight hundred and six family members were identified who may have been associated with the regular military and civilian employees during 1966 and 1967 for a total of 8,164 - not counting one single civilian living within five kilometres of Gagetown in 1966 and 1967.

Some questions that reporters should be asking are: If the government's own BGAFFP reported 8,164 victims, not counting the civilians within the five kilometre limit, present during the summers of '66 and '67, why then was the ex-gratia package designed to compensate only 4,500 victims?

Were the people who died before Feb. 6, 2006 any less dead or any less affected by the chemicals used at CFB Gagetown and why won't Ottawa compensate these widows?

If everything was alright and aboveboard, as Ottawa would like us to believe, why is Ottawa now refusing to call for a full public and judicial inquiry?

Could the answer to all three questions be the same?

Ottawa knew full well that more than half of the Gagetown victims were already dead.

Mr. Thompson, as reported on April 1 in the Montreal Gazette said: "I've stated very clearly the dates will not change."

Just two days before on the 29th of March, it was reported in the Telegraph Journal that "Veterans Affairs Minister Greg Thompson has said that the April 1 deadline for compensation isn't absolute and late applications will be considered."

In Ottawa, our MPs call this a flip-flop, while in the opinions of many less honourable, we would call it bold face lying.

I guess our only choice now is to figure out whether the newspapers are lying or whether the member flip-flopped, yet again, and mispoke to the newspapers.

The only question which remains is did Veterans Affairs Minister Greg Thompson mispeak to the Montreal Gazette or to the Telegraph Journal?

And, more importantly, are there any Canadians left who would believe him even if he told us?

If you are going to write about our story and our lives, please get your facts straight.

Cpl. Kenneth H. Young CD (ret)
Nanaimo, B.C.



Title: Re: CFB Gagetown - Toxic Chemicals - 1956-1984
Post by: rong on April 18, 2009, 01:10:16 pm
Great stuff Ken, and i urge all my brothers and sisters to support their brothers and sisters and families , by taking a couple minutes to send to the email above.. just a click , a few words and send.. its done , and will lend a whole lot of impetus...thanks Ken.. rong


Title: Re: CFB Gagetown - Toxic Chemicals - 1956-1984
Post by: Kenneth H. Young on April 18, 2009, 01:37:15 pm
lawsuit

 

Agent Orange / Agent Purple Class Action




Merchant Law Group LLP has been contacted by numerous veterans and other military personnel and civilians living in and around the base, who wish to pursue Class Action Litigation concerning Agent Orange and Agent Purple. Merchant Law Group LLP has launched an Agent Orange, Agent Purple & Agent White Class Action with the Federal Court of Canada, as of July 12th 2005.



The Federal government has recently admitted spraying Agent Orange and Agent Purple at CFB Gagetown, in New Brunswick, in 1966 and 1967. We have reports of spraying going on during the 1950s and the 1960s, and in far greater amounts then the few drums the government claims to have sprayed.



Agent Orange contained extremely toxic byproducts known as dioxins. Agent Orange was used as a chemical herbicide, or plant killer. It penetrated the waxy covering of leaves to poison the entire plant. It was created from an equal combination of 2,4,5-trichlorophenoxyacetic acid and 2,4-dichlorophenoxyacetic acid.



Exposure to dioxins has been associated with severe birth defects, certain rare cancers in humans, respiratory problems; impotence; chloracne; developmental and immune system disorders, and other serious health problems.



If you were diagnosed with one or more of the following five illnesses, please click here and provide your name and phone number:

Chronic lymphocytic leukemia (CLL)
Soft-tissue sarcoma
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Hodgkin's disease
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Merchant Law Group LLP has twelve offices across Canada. Tony Merchant and his firm are well known for their involvement in Mass & Class Action cases in Canada, currently including Silicon Breast Implant litigation, Metis Veteran Benefits claims, Cryptosporidium Water proceedings, Residential School litigation, CPR Anhydrous Ammonia action, and cases regarding ISM Information Security damages, Tundra noxious gas emissions, and Canadian Wheat Board Pool transfers. Tony Merchant is known to be one of Canada’s most active litigators with nearly 600 reported cases in leading law journals, and has argued thousands of cases before the Canadian and American Courts, in Trial and Administrative Courts, and the Courts of Appeal of various American and Canadian jurisdictions, the Federal Court of Canada, and the Supreme Court of Canada. Tony Merchant has a long history in pursuing public policy cases and is a former Member of the Legislative Assembly.



IF YOU WISH TO JOIN THIS CLASS ACTION OR TO SIMPLY GET MORE INFORMATION, PLEASE CALL THE MERCHANT LAW GROUP AT 1 888 567 7777

 

   
Note: there re more medical conditions being covered.


Title: Re: CFB Gagetown - Toxic Chemicals - 1956-1984
Post by: Kenneth H. Young on April 18, 2009, 01:50:02 pm
Look Guys and Gals,
I know that it is hard to wrap our minds around suing our own Government, after all we all signed that we could sue for anything which happened to us while in the Military. However VAC was supposed to take care of us and has not even attempted to, and in fact they and DND have been caught destroying files and in the case of Gagetown have re-written the Veterans act to exclude giving the Veteran the benefit of the doubt in all Gagetown cases.

Never the less I am not suing the government for what was done to me in the military. I am suing them in order to have the medical conditions covered by the VAC and I am suing them for the forty years after the Army where they let me suffer in total silence when they knew what the problem was, there by allowing me to become even more ill and without allowing me to inform my doctor.

What happened to us while in Gagetown was Military and we were contaminated while on duty, so VAC is responsible. What has happened to us since we have been out of the military is totally Ottawa's fault.


Title: Re: CFB Gagetown - Toxic Chemicals - 1956-1984
Post by: Kenneth H. Young on April 19, 2009, 02:47:55 pm
http://www.liberalsenateforum.ca/Blog/4045_The-use-of-Agent-Orange-at-CFB-Gagetown

The use of Agent Orange at CFB Gagetown

 Published by Senator Joseph Day on 16 April 2009

The struggle for equitable compensation for military and civilian personnel affected by the use of toxic defoliants at Canadian Forces Base Gagetown is long-standing and ongoing.

 

I have been involved with this issue for quite some time, and although the government imposed deadline to apply for ex-gratia payments was April 1st, 2009, I will continue to try to help Canadians seeking justice for their unjust suffering.

 

I recently spoke in the Senate on this issue, and you can read and listen to my speech in its entirety below.

 

http://www.liberalsenateforum.ca/In-The-Senate/Statement/3774_Agent-Orange

Hon. Joseph A. Day:

Honourable senators, the term "Agent Orange" became almost a household expression in Canada during the Vietnam War. Honourable senators will know that Agent Orange is a toxic defoliant used by the United States military. However, many of us did not know and do not know that the U.S. military was using Agent Orange at Canadian Forces Base Gagetown in New Brunswick during the 1960s.

Agent Orange contains a chemical called dioxin, a known carcinogen that has been linked to various types of cancer. Scientific testing in New Brunswick into this matter has not been consistent.

My main focus today is not to dissect this matter from a scientific standpoint but from a human standpoint. The fact is that during the 1960s, soldiers, their families and civilian employees at Canadian Forces Base Gagetown, as well as civilians living in the neighbourhood, were all exposed unknowingly to Agent Orange.

On September 12, 2007, the Minister of Veterans Affairs, Greg Thompson, announced the government's plan for payments to certain individuals who had been exposed to Agent Orange. An amount of $96.5 million was set aside for payments of $20,000 each to eligible military and civilian personnel. The government has decided that "eligible" means that the applicant must be living, and diagnosed with, at least one of 12 diseases identified by the U.S. Institute of Medicine. Furthermore, the applicant must have been living on the base or within a five-kilometre radius during the summers of 1966 and 1967. If the person died from cancer, the spouse or caregiver would be entitled to claim in their stead.

However, Minister Thompson announced that the program would be effective only after February 6, 2006 — the day that the Harper government took office. Honourable senators, to be eligible, veterans or civilians would have to be living on or after February 6, 2006. If they died before the Harper government took office, the caregiver would not be eligible for payment.

Military Widows on a War Path is a group founded in New Brunswick that is fighting to correct the inequities of the Harper government. The members are widows whose husbands were confirmed to have been living at Canadian Forces Base Gagetown during the time of spraying, and have the medical documentation proving that they were negatively affected by the dioxins in Agent Orange. Most of the members of Military Widows on a War Path have applied for the ex gratia payments but have been denied on the grounds that their husbands died before the cut-off date of February 6, 2006. They argue that the surviving spouse of a serviceman who died before February 6, 2006, is as entitled to payment as a surviving spouse of a serviceman who died after February 6, 2006, all else being equal.

Another qualifying date looms, honourable senators. The deadline for the application process under this program expires on April 1, 2009, which is next week. As of the end of February, Veterans Affairs Canada had approved $41 million in payments. That figure is less than one half of the allotted amount. Once the program has ended, the unused money will return to general revenue, and not to Veterans Affairs Canada. If there are funds left in the program, why not relax the restrictions? Why are the only eligible years 1966 and 1967 when the spraying of Agent Orange took place at other times as well? Why is it only a five-kilometre radius from the base? Why are only 12 diseases addressed, as outlined by the U.S. Institute of Medicine? Why must a soldier who was serving in 1966-67 have been alive on February 6, 2006, when the Harper government was elected?

In a pre-election speech in Woodstock, New Brunswick, on January 11, 2006, Mr. Harper made a promise. He said:

A Conservative government will stand up for full and fair compensation for persons exposed to defoliant spraying during the period from 1956 to 1984.

Honourable senators, this promise has not been kept. We have seen the Main Estimates for this fiscal year and there is no provision to continue this program. I can assure honourable senators that despite these artificial deadlines set by the Harper government, the damage done to civilians and to military personnel in New Brunswick by Agent Orange is an issue that will not disappear.


Title: Re: CFB Gagetown - Toxic Chemicals - 1956-1984
Post by: Kenneth H. Young on April 19, 2009, 08:04:06 pm
Dear Fellow Veterans,
 
We realize that many people may not be able to join us Gagetown Veterans and Victims at Greg Thompson's Office on the 19th of May to protest their handling of the Gagetown Issue and to demand a, "Full Public and Judicial Inquiry."
 
If you are unable to join us but would still like to support our effort (and no I am not asking for money) Please email Gary Goode gary1@telus.net with a letter of support and your request that a, "Full Public and Judicial Inquiry take place." Gary will have them printed and will present them along with our petition to call for an Inquiry.
 
We could use your help in this issue and will be thankful for any support.
 
Thank you in Advance.
 
 


Title: Re: CFB Gagetown - Toxic Chemicals - 1956-1984
Post by: Kenneth H. Young on April 19, 2009, 11:44:14 pm
SOON AFTER Chris Arsenault started researching the Canadian saga of Agent Orange he stumbled upon an eerie scene in a New Brunswick village that highlighted the story’s significance.

The toxic defoliant used by the American military during the Vietnam War had been tested around CFB Gagetown during the 1960s and some of the people with whom he’d spoken suggested he visit Enniskillen, where they’d lived at the time.

"The place was virtually a ghost town," the 25-year-old former Haligonian says in a recent email interview.

"It was clear people had literally fled in the middle of the night. Some didn’t even bother to bring their possessions and old family photographs and furniture were strewn about some of the abandoned houses."

Arsenault was so intrigued he wrote about it in a magazine article, his honours thesis at Dalhousie University and a recently published book entitled Blowback: A Canadian history of Agent Orange and the War at Home. Arsenault interviewed people who once lived in Enniskillen, including Doreen Thomas. This is what she told Arsenault about some of the former villagers:

"Kelly was forty-one years old; she died full of cancer. A nurse with all kinds of degrees, she knew how to take care of herself. Mom just died in October. She had diabetes, congenital heart failure; you name it, she had it. My father died with cancer when he was sixty-six. My uncle dropped dead. Aunt Mar died of cancer, two of my uncles died with cancer. My grandfather and grandmother died with cancer. It involved everybody’s household. Everybody’s household was full of cancer. The people who didn’t have internal cancer, we had outside cancer. I’ve had eleven (tumours) removed. My sister died with spina bifida."

Blowback delves into why the Canadian military and its private subcontractors sprayed more than a million litres of herbicides in New Brunswick between 1956 and 1984 — the U.S. Congress had banned their use on American soil.

Arsenault’s extensive research involved using the Access to Information Act to ferret out damning documents and produce a scathing indictment of a Canadian government in denial of its responsibility for exposing its citizens to a deadly substance.

"Senior Canadian officials did know that dangerous, unregistered chemicals were being sprayed, yet did nothing to stop it," Arsenault says, contradicting Dennis Furlong’s 2005 fact-finding mission for the Liberal government.

"The Canadian government sprayed chemicals against its own people at a higher concentration than the U.S. sprayed in Vietnam."

It’s long been accepted as common fact that many of the Americans who served in Vietnam became sick with cancer after the war because of their exposure to Agent Orange. That is the same for the Vietnamese, many of whom suffered birth defects and other illnesses from the dioxin.

But Canadians have only recently realized the extent of their country’s involvement.

Arsenault explains that the Americans were concerned about using the chemicals for their counter-insurgency campaign. The Canadians were curious about how well the substances would control brush.

"The Canadian spraying represents the worst aspects of environmental management under a market system," says Arsenault, who has been arrested for his anti-capitalist activism. He was acquitted of unlawful assembly in January 2004. "The chemicals were simply a cheaper way of clearing brush than other non-dangerous methods. This was about saving money, while destroying lives.

"The legacy has been aborted fetuses, deformities, shattered lives, and cancer. I think a lot of soldiers, the people who are forced to do the dirty work of empire, are now questioning the super structure they once faithfully served."

A class-action lawsuit was launched in 2007 by civilian and military people affected by the spray program. It is still before the courts. Also in 2007, the federal government announced an Agent Orange compensation package, which has been criticized for its funding and its limits on those who can apply.

Staff reporter Jeffrey Simpson freelanced this story.


Title: Re: CFB Gagetown - Toxic Chemicals - 1956-1984
Post by: Kenneth H. Young on April 20, 2009, 12:16:59 am
Gagetown Chemicals to be spread by fire once again. Stay out of the smoke lads.

http://country94news.blogspot.com/2009/04/annual-spring-burn-in-gagetown-underway.html


Sunday, April 19, 2009
Annual Spring Burn in Gagetown Underway
2009-04-19

13:39:54


Fire will be blazing in the base Gagetown area beginning today as the annual Spring Grass Burn Program gets underway. It's carried out every year to reduce the build-up of patches of dead grass in the training area's.

Burning will be carried out during normal working hours and only when weather conditions are favourable. It is scheduled to be finished by May 15th.





Title: Re: CFB Gagetown - Toxic Chemicals - 1956-1984
Post by: Kenneth H. Young on April 20, 2009, 12:28:37 am
April 19, 2009
 
Ms. Christiane Young
Box 355 Emo, Ontario
P0W 1E0
 
 I like to find out how the Royal Canadian Legions across Canada are supporting the fight of veterans to seek a public inquiry about the toxic sprayings in Gagetown.
As you know, many veterans were exposed to Agent Orange and other chemicals while training or stationed in Gagetown from 1956 to 1984. Many soldiers are now sick or dying and are left to fight alone against a vast buroeucracy of denial, ignorance and cover-ups.
I like to think that the Royal Canadian Legion exists to supports their own, especially when help can be offered to those still living. In that spirit, please explain why the Royal Canadian Legion of St. Stephen Branch # 9, not only refused to support our veterans, but refused our veterans the opportunity to muster on legion property for a peaceful protest/rally to raise awareness of the Gagetown issues, scheduled for May 19, 2009.
 
Thank you for your reply,
 
Christiane Young
 


Title: Re: CFB Gagetown - Toxic Chemicals - 1956-1984
Post by: rong on April 20, 2009, 01:58:07 pm
Good reports Ken, and may i thank Sen Day for his attempts to get this tragedy to the fore in Ottawa... there will be some buzzing going on on the Hill, for sure, and my thanks for you , ken keeping all informed , and your steadfast dedication to getting this made right...do you notice, that slowly , but gaining speed , more and more are joining in the fight, that snowball is growing..ahem, Mr Prime Minister, you might want to join in here , before you go down in diasgrace , and disdain, in the eyes of the Cdn people...and for ure Ken, that warning about the burning at Gagetown is important.. tho the toxic ability of the Agents used will have diminished somewhat , it is not gone, and indeed there will be pockets all over the place where it is a strong as the original spray.. we are dealing with lethal matter here, and it does not just go away.. it is almost as bad as radio active material...make no mistake about that....beware people, just be wary and keep yourselves well bathed after being any where near those areas.. really , the general public should be advised so by local health authorities..even today.. where are they?? Oh ya, they are Gov employees.. so likely they are "shut up".. shame , shame....  rong


Title: Re: CFB Gagetown - Toxic Chemicals - 1956-1984
Post by: Kenneth H. Young on April 20, 2009, 09:43:18 pm
Ms. Christiane Young
Box 355
Emo, Ontario
P0W 1E0
I do not represent any organization.
 
Mr. Clement,
As our Minister of Health you must be aware of the toxic chemicals sprayed on our soldiers and the training grounds in CFB Gagetown, New Brunswick,  from 1956 to 1984. It goes without saying that the spraying of the so called 'rainbow' chemicals left many veterans sick and dying. You must also be aware of our Government's denial of these facts, as well as leaving our veterans fighting a vast burocracy for any form of recognition, compensation and truth.
Why exactly, can our Government not just own up, clean up, and compensate those effected?
Gagetown could be cleaned up, leaving it safe for our sons and daughters to attend combat arms school without fears or doughts about the credibility of our Government, our Army and each other.
You, Mr. Clement have the obligation to deal with health concerns, health risks and the potential for our young soldiers to be exposed to residue chemicals in the training fields of Gagetown.
Have we not learned from the issues of Nitro, West Verginia: Vietnam: Seveso, Italy: or Love Canal????
 
I do understand that it is not the current administration who polluted base Gagetown, I also understand that it will cost a lot of money to clean up, and compensate victims.
But you, Mr. Clement, are in the enviable position to speak up, to do the right thing at the right time, while assuring the heath of future solders.
Thank you,
 
Sincerely
 
Christiane Young
 


Title: Re: CFB Gagetown - Toxic Chemicals - 1956-1984
Post by: rong on April 21, 2009, 01:45:12 pm
Nice , important letter here Christianne.. i am awaiting Mr Clements reply that he will indeed do the reposible thing, for the better of all concerned ..rong


Title: Re: CFB Gagetown - Toxic Chemicals - 1956-1984
Post by: Mike Blais CD on April 21, 2009, 02:27:05 pm
Well written. Thank you.


Title: Re: CFB Gagetown - Toxic Chemicals - Protest - Rally
Post by: Kenneth H. Young on April 23, 2009, 06:20:50 pm
A Protest Rally will begin in St. Stephen N.B. at the St Croix Public Library parking lot at 2 Budd Ave. on May 19, 2009 beginning at 1:30 PM.


The rally will then march to Greg Thompson’s, the Minister of Veterans Affairs, Constituency office to demonstrate and  present our demands between 2:15 PM. and 2:30 PM.


This protest rally is to advise the Harper government that Canadian veterans and the victims of the CFB Gagetown Agent Orange spraying program, as well as the general public, are unhappy with the government's coverup regarding chemical spraying at CFB Gagetown.


Taking part in this protest rally will be participants from across N.S., N.B.,  Ont., B.C., U.S.A. and other parts of the world.
 

In attendance will be guest speakers from:


The Military Widows on the Warpath.


Agent Orange Association of Canada ( AOAC).
 

Agent Orange Alert ( AOA ).


Politicians, Health and Environmental experts.


Full measurable accountability and justice is our motivation and a Full Judicial Public Inquiry into the Gagetown Atrocity is our mission.


We will not be denied.

     

 Anyone who would like to support CFB Gagetown's Toxic Chemical Victims are encouraged to participate in this historic protest rally,
 either by joining with us in St Stephen N.B. or by e-mailing a letter of support to gary1@telus.net demanding a Full Judicial Public Inquiry.
 
 

For media inquires please contact.


Gary Goode
gary1@telus.net
Box 301
Fernie B.C.
V0B1M0
250-423-4245


Title: Re: CFB Gagetown - Toxic Chemicals - 1956-1984
Post by: Kenneth H. Young on April 24, 2009, 09:03:43 am

April 19, 2009

http://thechronicleherald.ca/Books/1117392.html


Writer brings scandal to light
Agent Orange spraying in 1960s N.B. an outrage, activist says
By JEFFREY SIMPSON
Sun. Apr 19 - 7:09 AM


SOON AFTER Chris Arsenault started researching the Canadian
saga of Agent Orange he stumbled upon an eerie scene in a New
Brunswick village that highlighted the story’s significance.



The toxic defoliant used by the American military during the Vietnam
War had been tested around CFB Gagetown during the 1960s and some
of the people with whom he’d spoken suggested he visit Enniskillen,
where they’d lived at the time.



"The place was virtually a ghost town," the 25-year-old former
Haligonian says in a recent email interview.



"It was clear people had literally fled in the middle of the night.
Some didn’t even bother to bring their possessions and old family
photographs and furniture were strewn about some of the
abandoned houses."



Arsenault was so intrigued he wrote about it in a magazine article,
his honours thesis at Dalhousie University and a recently
published book entitled Blowback: A Canadian history of Agent
Orange and the War at Home. Arsenault interviewed people who
once lived in Enniskillen, including Doreen Thomas. This is what
she told Arsenault about some of the former villagers:



"Kelly was forty-one years old; she died full of cancer. A nurse
with all kinds of degrees, she knew how to take care of herself. Mom
just died in October. She had diabetes, congenital heart failure; you
name it, she had it. My father died with cancer when he was sixty-six.
My uncle dropped dead. Aunt Mar died of cancer, two of my uncles
died with cancer. My grandfather and grandmother died with cancer.
It involved everybody’s household. Everybody’s household was full
of cancer. The people who didn’t have internal cancer, we had outside
cancer. I’ve had eleven (tumours) removed. My sister died with
spina bifida."

Blowback delves into why the Canadian military and its private
subcontractors sprayed more than a million litres of herbicides in
New Brunswick between 1956 and 1984 — the U.S. Congress had
banned their use on American soil.
 

Arsenault’s extensive research involved using the Access to
Information Act to ferret out damning documents and produce a
scathing indictment of a Canadian government in denial of its
responsibility for exposing its citizens to a deadly substance.



"Senior Canadian officials did know that dangerous, unregistered
chemicals were being sprayed, yet did nothing to stop it," Arsenault
says, contradicting Dennis Furlong’s 2005 fact-finding mission for t
he Liberal government.



"The Canadian government sprayed chemicals against its own people
at a higher concentration than the U.S. sprayed in Vietnam."



It’s long been accepted as common fact that many of the Americans
who served in Vietnam became sick with cancer after the war because
of their exposure to Agent Orange. That is the same for the Vietnamese,
many of whom suffered birth defects and other illnesses from the dioxin.

But Canadians have only recently realized the extent of their country’s
involvement.



Arsenault explains that the Americans were concerned about using the
chemicals for their counter-insurgency campaign. The Canadians were
curious about how well the substances would control brush.
   

"The Canadian spraying represents the worst aspects of environmental
management under a market system," says Arsenault, who has been
arrested for his anti-capitalist activism. He was acquitted of unlawful
assembly in January 2004. "The chemicals were simply a cheaper
way of clearing brush than other non-dangerous methods. This was
about saving money, while destroying lives.



"The legacy has been aborted fetuses, deformities, shattered lives,
and cancer. I think a lot of soldiers, the people who are forced to do
the dirty work of empire, are now questioning the super structure
they once faithfully served."

A class-action lawsuit was launched in 2007 by civilian and military
people affected by the spray program. It is still before the courts.
 
Also in 2007, the federal government announced an Agent Orange
compensation package, which has been criticized for its funding and
 its limits on those who can apply.



Staff reporter Jeffrey Simpson freelanced this story.


 


Title: Re: CFB Gagetown - Blowback
Post by: Kenneth H. Young on April 24, 2009, 09:08:18 am
http://static.canadaeast.com/archives/postgazette/20090425/XFP0425A0664.pdf

April 24, 2009

 

Halifax writer releases book about defoliant spraying at CFB Gagetown

 

By GILLIAN CHRISTIE

This Week

 

A Halifax writer has released a book all about the defoliant spraying that has taken place at CFB Gagetown. Author Chris Arsenault’s book, Blowback: A Canadian History of Agent Orange and the War at Home was officially released in March and he made an appearance at Sharla Books in theOromocto Mall last Saturday where he signed copies and spoke to the local residents he wrote this story about.

 

When Arsenault was first approached to write this story, it was originally intended to be a magazine piece. Upon further investigation, and the discovery of more information, he quickly realized there was more to this story than one article would allow room for.

 

This book came out of an idea Arsenault said he pitched to the editor of This magazine on Canadian veterans and the Spanish Civil War. That editor came back with the more local Agent Orange idea.

 

“After I began doing interviews and especially after going to Enniskillen and seeing that place, I realized this was a huge issue. It wasn’t just one story and it wasn’t just some mistake that happened a long time ago,” Arsenault said.

 

He said he couldn’t overlook other issues pertaining to pesticide spraying and environmental control as well as foreign wars, Canada’s role in the world and the treatment of veterans by the Forces that they serve.

 

Arsenault said he then realized after writing the feature-lengthy magazine piece he wanted to do more digging on his own and keep writing this story. Much of his research has stemmed from Freedom of Information Act requests. Because of the amount of time he knew this was going to take, he decided to turn the project into a book. Arsenault spent the better part of a couple of years compiling information.

 

He said he was surprised at how blatant some of the information that he came across really is. “I found minutes of one meeting of the Defence Research Board of Canada from May 1966 which showed that senior officials in Ottawa knew that ‘dangerous and unregistered’ herbicides were being used at the base,” Arsenault said.

 

“I think that’s the biggest contribution I’ve made because up until now, the general idea was that 2,4-D and 2, 4, 5-T were legally registered chemicals in Canada. But what I’ve seen, actually, is that they knew unregistered chemicals were used. Those weren’t the only chemicals at all.”

 

The idea that those were registered and therefore nobody’s at fault, I tried to show that that’s actually not the case and when you read these minutes, how can you guys not change your policy based on that,” he said.

 

Arsenault said he’s pleased with the response he’s gotten from the book so far. He tried hard to maintain the integrity of his sources and have them tell their own stories through him. Arsenault said he wanted to continue in the research and exposure of this issue and add to the already incalculable amount of work done by a lot of military families, civilians and other journalists.

 

“My first goal that I wanted to do was compile all the information. I think having a book lends credibility to an issue,” Arsenault said. “I wanted to try to find new information and goal three was I just wanted to tell the story of people who were involved in this.”


Title: Re: CFB Gagetown - Toxic Chemicals - 1956-1984
Post by: rong on April 24, 2009, 12:07:56 pm
Well, i wonder what the Gov is going to do now.. the facts are out there for all toread and regurgitate .. likely with disgust...i hope they , Gov, will finally do what is right and get the whole truth out, and proper assistance to the victims.. ALL THE VICTIMS, AND FAMILIES....ranrad


Title: Re: CFB Gagetown - Toxic Chemicals - 1956-1984
Post by: Kenneth H. Young on April 24, 2009, 11:26:10 pm
Please send Letters of support to gary1@telus.net

Come on guys, this is unbelievable. So far we only have 16 letters of support for our march to Minister of Veterans Affairs Greg Thompsons office on the 19th of may. Most from my family and friends and 7 from US soldiers.

How can the Canadian soldier be so whipped that the US military even out does them in a Canadian Protest for Canadian Spraying of Toxic Chemicals at and Canadian Base, CFB Gagetown New Brunswick?

Are we Canadian soldiers so used of being treated as lab rats that we are going to sit back and take it like good little rats or are we going to stand up and be counted like real men, real soldiers. Every letter written is normally counted as 100 who didn't bother.
*****************

Example letter.

Mr. Greg Thompson.
I wish to add my name to those demanding a full public and judicial inquiry into the 28 years of the toxic chemical defoliation Program at CFB Gagetown from 1956 through 1984.



Title: Re: CFB Gagetown - Toxic Chemicals - 1956-1984
Post by: rong on April 25, 2009, 01:14:33 pm
Tell your buds about this guys, lets get those letters in, it means so much to so many victims.. and it could be you..get em in... rong


Title: Re: CFB Gagetown - Protes Rally May 19th
Post by: Kenneth H. Young on May 01, 2009, 08:14:49 am


http://telegraphjournal.canadaeast.com/city/article/653237

Protest planned for border town

Published Friday May 1st, 2009

Derwin Gowan
Telegraph-Journal

ST. STEPHEN - Protesters from across Canada will come to St. Stephen May 19 to demand a public judicial inquiry into spraying chemical defoliants at CFB Gagetown, says a Canadian Forces veteran who is organizing the demonstration.

Gary Goode said the group will include former soldiers, environmentalists and politicians. They will assemble at the St. Croix Public Library parking lot and march up Milltown Boulevard to the New Brunswick Southwest constituency office of Veterans Affairs Minister Greg Thompson.

"I think you're going to be quite surprised what's going to happen there," Goode said by telephone Thursday from Fernie, B.C.

The lineup of speakers includes Peter Stoffer, New Democratic Party MP for Sackville-Eastern shore in Nova Scotia, as well as Conservation Council of New Brunswick officials David Coon of Waweig and Inka Milewski of Miramichi.

The group Veterans Widows on the Warpath will attend, Goode said.

The group will demand a public judicial inquiry into what Goode calls a cover-up related to the health effects of spraying chemicals to kill vegetation in the training areas at CFB Gagetown over 30 years from the 1950s to the 1980s.

"It was a whitewash to limit our government's liability and culpability," Goode said.

These chemicals - Agent Orange, Agent Purple and others - were different formulations of 2,4-D and 2,4,5-T that released other chemicals called dioxins that cause cancer and other health problems.

Goode, a native of Springhill, N.S., served three years in the Canadian Army, all with the Second Battalion, Black Watch Regiment of Canada, at CFB Gagetown from 1967 to 1970.

In 1966 and 1967, Canadian authorities allowed Americans to spray defoliants at CFB Gagetown, Goode said.

He left the army and operated heavy equipment in Alberta and British Columbia.

He began to have trouble with pneumonia in 2003 and doctors diagnosed a tumour on his right lung in March 2005. The lung was removed a month later.

He joined the class action lawsuit underway now.

In Goode's view, Thompson did not keep promises he made as an opposition MP to deal squarely with victims of chemical spraying, and has not moved on a full inquiry. For this reason the group chose to demonstrate outside his St. Stephen office.

 


Title: Re: CFB Gagetown - Toxic Chemicals - 1956-1984
Post by: rong on May 01, 2009, 11:41:18 am
The bottom line is that victims have not been treated fairly... partly , and maybe largely because the , now , Minister responsible .. HAS NOT KEPT HIS PROMISE...i have no right to judge him.. perhaps he has good reasons for letting his constituents down.. what they could be , i cannot imagine...God will be his judge...hmmm.. i wouldnt want to be in his shoes , come judgement day...??? rong


Title: Re: CFB Gagetown - Letter to Liberal Leader
Post by: Kenneth H. Young on May 01, 2009, 12:26:12 pm
Dear Mr.Ignatieff,
 
I am one of the many Veterans who had their lives and health altered at CFB Gagetown because of the numerous toxic chemical defoliants used there. This has continued to be a problem for many reasons, not the least of which may have more to do with MP's and past PM's parents and/or relatives involvement in portfolios which should have stopped the spraying or taken care of its victims.
 
You sir are in the enviable position of not only not having been in government while the atrocity was taking place but also that there is to my knowledge non of your family involved in what transpired in CFB Gagetown between 1956 and 1984. You may be one of the only political leaders today who can fix this issue without any need to see if you would be trashing your own family or if there might be some guilt that would fall at your own feet.
 
Having said this I wonder why you and your office hasn't come out in support of the Canadian Veterans who have been affected by what can only be described as indiscriminate chemical use and a somewhat shoddy chemical registration process which took place in the 50's through the 80's.
 
The general attitude that because it is before the courts, Ottawa won't even talk about it is somewhat backwards because if Ottawa had bothered to take care of the victims, it wouldn't even be before the courts. Soldiers love their country and are very reluctant to take Ottawa to court but have been left with no other course of action. Ottawa has refused to even acknowledge that they made an honest mistake, VAC has because of this refused any Gagetown Chemical pension clamed, Workman's comp and CPP refuse to deal with the problem while many soldiers die or loose everything they have spent a lifetime to achieve due to the costs of medications and other medical expenses.
 
There are somewhere in the neighborhood of one million voters who are going to vote with veterans issues in mind. More 440,000 for the Gagetown issue alone. It would seem prudent for you to state your position on Veterans issues and most notably the CFB Gagetown issue if you wish any of these votes to go your way in the up coming or next Federal election.
 
Remember Canada is watching you, in fact on the Gagetown issue the whole world is watching.
 
 
Cpl. Kenneth H. Young CD (ret)


Title: Re: CFB Gagetown - Toxic Chemicals - 1956-1984
Post by: rong on May 02, 2009, 01:22:22 pm
Very well written Ken, and may Mr Ignatieff get his claws into this one and maybe getthings moving for all the victims..we ca only hope..rong


Title: Re: CFB Gagetown - Toxic Chemicals - 1956-1984
Post by: Kenneth H. Young on June 06, 2009, 08:24:03 am
http://static.canadaeast.com/archives/postgazette/20090606/XFP0606A0164.pdf

SATURDAY, JUNE 6, 2009

 

agent orange widow says protests won’t stop until there’s a resolution

 

Rally held in St. Stephen to demand full, public inquiry into toxic spraying

 

By GiLLiAn CHrisTie

This Week

 

The agent orange association of Canada organized a rally outside federal Veterans affairs Minister greg Thompson’s office in st. stephen to demand for one thing: a full, public inquiry into the toxic spraying at CFB gagetown between 1956 and 1984.

 

Fourteen members of the Military widows on a war path attended the rally, including founder Bette hudson from waasis. “i think a lot of attention was paid to the widows, actually,” hudson said. “we were there in a supportive capacity so that a united front was, sort of, shown.”

 

she said she is confident the message that they’re not going away was reiterated and heard that day.  “i do believe that somebody is listening and hopefully we’ll get our message out,” hudson said. “it won’t be dying down at all, not for the widows, because we will keep going on until we get some resolution. we want what they owe us; it’s as simple as that.”

 

This group of ladies has been excluded from the government’s ex gratia settlement for those who were affected by the toxic spraying at CFB gagetown during the summers of 1966 and 1967.

 

Their husbands had already died of illness caused by the spraying before the Feb. 6, 2006 date when the harper government assumed office. “They’re so busy paying out others that they’ve forgotten us. we’re going to fight on until we get a resolution and they have to realize that,” Hudson said. “we’re quite different because we’re all widows, we’ve all lost our husbands and we’ve been snubbed by ottawa. it’s time that they know that we are just not going away.”

 

she said, overall, the message of all who attended the rally and offered their voice to the cause was heard. “i think they definitely got their point across to which the government announced within 30 minutes that they were not going to have a public inquiry,” ,hudson said.

 

“That’s part of the arrogance. we can’t let it go and we’re not going to.” retired Cpl. ken Young travelled from nanaimo, B.C. to be at the rally last Tuesday. he is an active member of the agent orange association of Canada and said this rally was something he felt he had to be a part of. he said it wasn’t as attended as they would have liked, but despite a lower than anticipated number, they’re confident their message got out. “it was a very nice coalition of gagetown victims. That was nice to see,” Young said. “The funny thing is, the people of st. stephen were coming up to us and asking what we were doing. a lot of them had not even heard of agent orange being used in gagetown. The government, that’s the way they want it. if nobody knows about it, nobody’s going to complain.”

 

There was a large number of people who couldn’t do the walk but drove from the starting point to the minister’s office. Many are suffering from health issues that prevented them from being there at all. Young said this rally is just one of a number of projects planned to help elevate the awareness of this situation.

 

“This isn’t just a new Brunswick issue. The soldiers, by their very nature, came from all over the country and they were sent here,” Young said. “This is the combat arms school.” He said he’s sick of hearing the government’s excuses in limiting the payment to so few affected.

 

“Did they do their job when they registered [Agent Orange]?” he said. Another excuse Young doesn’t accept is the fact that the government claims they didn’t know the toxic dioxins were present in the chemicals they were spraying yet, contradicting themselves, have said that because the chemicals were produced in Canada they were made at a slower, safer rate and removed all of the harmful products before putting it into use.

 

“If I have a registered gun, does that mean I can shoot you?” Young said. Young said government reports have claimed both themselves and the chemical companies were not aware HCB and PCP dioxin in the chemicals.

 

“Why are they registering chemicals if they didn’t even know what’s in them?” he said. These Canadian chemicals were made in peace time so the manufacturers made it slower and there was less dioxin in it. If they didn’t know it was in there, how can they know they removed it? Why would they remove something they didn’t know was in it?” Young said.

 

“If I can figure that out, anyone can.” “There’s no going back. This has gone out of control,” he said. “The government has not even tried to deal with it. If anything, what they’ve done with the ex gratia payments, is they’ve tried to weasel it down to the smallest number of people they could possibly get away with paying, hoping it would go away. In doing so, they’ve insulted a great number of the people who were

involved.”

 

“When they came to power, they had the chance of cleaning it up without any guilt because they had absolutely nothing to do with it because it was the Progressive Conservatives and Liberal parties. For them to do what they’ve done, it was basically a big cover-up. They not only inherited but they’ve adopted the cover-up.”

 

next up for these protestors is a rally on Parliament Hill in Ottawa in October. Rally organizing group Agent Orange Association of Canada Inc.’s copresident Carol Brown Parker said they need to keep going in their quest to receive a full, public inquiry and they’re going to continue to do whatever they can to make that happen.

 

“There are so many people, even in this area, who don’t know or understand,” Brown Parker said. “There are a lot of misconceptions and they really highlighted it at the rally.” The AOAC has named June 15 as the deadline for the Greg Thompson to establish contact with them.

 

“I am willing to be a point person for an initial discussion on this topic and look forward to the Minister’s receptiveness,” Brown Parker said. “I’ll be waiting for Greg Thompson to communicate with me. I want a face-to-face, one on one conference to discuss the options and how we are going to go from here. It’s not a dead issue. Far from it.”

 

“I’m not looking for money,” she said. “I’m looking for that full, judicial inquiry. We need them to admit what was happening.”

 


Title: Re: CFB Gagetown - Toxic Chemicals - 1956-1984
Post by: rong on June 06, 2009, 01:13:36 pm
Judgemnet Day will come upon you Government.. that is all i can say..it will come, for your treatment of the victims of this Canadian Tragedy.. and i believe you are running out of time...rong


Title: Re: CFB Gagetown - Toxic Chemicals - 1956-1984
Post by: Kenneth H. Young on June 07, 2009, 11:33:25 am
Well Rong, I maybe naively and I now know mistakenly expected most if not all Veterans to flock to the cause of other Vet's mistreatment by Ottawa. I posted many times in many military forums asking that if they could not attend our Protest - Rally that they would at least send letters of support for our demands for a full public and judicial inquiry.

Five was all that we received from Military forums members. We received twelve from US Vets and even three from Australia. The rest were from Victims and civilians. The Black Watch didn't even show up and the Canadian Legion didn't either. The US Legion on the other hand sent Richard Pelletier, a Service Officer of the American Legion, who supported the Canadian Victims as if they were US veterans and members of the American Legion. He was quick to denounce both the US and Canadian governments for stalling and the misinformation that has been the norm in regards to the Rainbow Chemicals.

Except for the Story above which I posted yesterday we were given more newspaper space in Australia, the US and Great Britain then we even received in eastern Canada.

Our next step will be to have a protest in Ottawa sometime in October, when the house returns. I will keep you all informed as things go along and as before I ask all veterans regardless of which veterans issue you are protesting, to accompany us.

If we do not stand together we will each of us fail alone. Ottawa doesn't give much thought to veterans issues because we are not even considered a voting block and so make no difference to Ottawa. If we can't put together more then 75 protesters in Ottawa, I doubt we will ever be listened to by politicians.

Ottawa has been in rescent months been complaining about a Victoria Cross going up for auction and in fact paid over $250,000 to keep it in Canada. They claim that it is an important part of Canadian Military History which Canada must preserve, yet the History of Gagetown and as many as 440,000 soldires contaminated by their own government, is dying along with the soldiers killed by the chemicals used there.



Title: Re: CFB Gagetown - Toxic Chemicals - 1956-1984
Post by: Kenneth H. Young on September 23, 2009, 11:30:31 pm
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/new-brunswick/story/2009/09/23/nl-agent-orange-923.html

Dismiss Agent Orange lawsuit, N.L. court urged

September 23, 2009 | 8:30 PM AT

CBC News

The federal government and two chemical companies went to court Wednesday in a bid to stop a class-action lawsuit launched by people who claim they developed cancer after being exposed to Agent Orange at Canadian Forces Base Gagetown in New Brunswick.

The suit, brought by more than 1,700 people from across the country as well as 35 from the province, was certified in the Supreme Court of Newfoundland and Labrador trial division.

On Wednesday, lawyers representing federal Attorney General Rob Nicholson, Minister of National Defence Peter Mackay , the Dow Chemical Company and the Pharmacia Corp. were in a St. John's courtroom seeking to have the certification order overturned.

The plaintiffs say they have been diagnosed with cancers including leukemia, Hodgkin's disease and non-Hodgkin's lymphoma because of their exposure to Agent Orange at Gagetown between 1956 and 2004.

"All the time I was at Gagetown was out in the field training — you're sleeping on the ground, you are eating your hard rations … you're eating with your hands, so basically your ingesting it," said retired soldier John Mallard, who is convinced his cancer stemmed from exposure to the herbicide at Gagetown."You're sleeping in it, you're burning bush to keep warm, so you're inhaling it."

Retired Brig.-Gen. Ed Ring, a Newfoundlander and another of the plaintiffs, was outraged by the bid to stop the suit.

"I am appalled that we have large organizations like the federal government and these chemical companies trying to deny us the opportunity to even have our case heard in court," he said.

The federal government and the companies maintain Agent Orange — a herbicide developed in the United States for use in the Vietnam war — was only one of 23 chemicals sprayed on the base, so there is no way to determine who was exposed to which chemical and for how long.

They also say there's not enough common ground among the ailments suffered by the plaintiffs to justify a class-action suit.

In September of 2007 the federal government announced a $96-million compensation package for people exposed to the herbicide at Gagetown —a $20,000 payout to anyone who qualified for it.

Members of the class-action suit refused to accept the settlement.

Hearings are scheduled to continue in St. John's Thursday.

 


Title: Re: CFB Gagetown - Toxic Chemicals - 1956-1984
Post by: Kenneth H. Young on September 25, 2009, 08:57:08 am
A story about CFB Gagetown and how Ottawa and the chemical companies are trying to get it dismissed before it ever gets started, sighting among other things that there is little if any interest, is I am afraid being born out by the comments and responses so far.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/new-brunswick/story/2009/09/23/nl-agent-orange-923.html

Three days now and so far only 31 comments with the people who agreed at  68. Wile stories of polygamy, Hells Angles, and almost every other story are up in the thousands of comments, leaves even me totally disheartened and depressed. If we can not get along, if the military or veterans issue are different, if we came for different regiments and if we became ill in different years, who cares, but if we can't or won't stand up for ourselves and together, what in the heck makes you think for a minute that others in this country will for us.

Ottawa is depending on the fact that old veterans can't agree on the time of day let alone get organized enough to show a united front and any Veterans issue. Why can they get away with robbing our pension fund, why can the decrease veterans disability pensions under the "one time $250,000 dollar", why can they claw back your CPP when you reach 65 and why are all the other veterans issues on the back burner? Because we let them put them there. We still vote for the A-- holes who vote against veterans issues, we don't speak up and by the looks of the comments on this story, we don't even care.

If the victims of this Gagetown atrocity as well as too many other veterans issues to bother write here are too dammed self centered, too lazy, too fed up and too uncaring to even write a comment which is free to do so, well I can fully understand why the rest of Canada has said to hell with us and why Ottawa has taken the route that they have. All Ottawa has to do is stall a bit more and the problem will go away all on its own.

Stand up for yourselves or stop moaning, bitching and complaining how badly you were treated by Ottawa, DND and the VAC. That no body gives a dammed is the fault of each and every one of the, "let's just sit around and drink beer, bitch and wait and see what happens people," and they have no one to blame but themselves. They can also stop asking why no one gives a dammed and why no body does the right thing. What they can do is look in a mirror and point the finger at where a lot of the blame belongs.

PS: If you don't have your own computer use a friends, but bitch where and when it counts.


Cpl. Kenneth H. Young CD (ret)


Title: Re: CFB Gagetown - Toxic Chemicals - 1956-1984
Post by: rong on September 27, 2009, 07:17:04 pm
News in general is not getting out to Canadians.Why??? Because our FedGov is preventing it. Cdns do not even get info on Afganistan, thos they  are spending 10s of Billions of taxpayers dollars.. How can Cdn voters make an informed decision on what they feel about our mission there, when they get very little info.. How you say.. thru the TriLateral Commission ..they control the whole dang world.. how.. because their members...elected by themselves are the owners and CEOs of all the major corporations...Mr Harper , jackass that he is, is merely a puppet.. you and i are allowed to elect.. democrataclly , only to be comntrolled by a group , elected only amongst themselves.. why not check it out on line.. and have a chat with Rona Ambrose , a current MP and Minister .. she was formerly with the Tri Lateral....as a super brain i think... i dont know what we can do.. we yak , we scream.. they dont give a damn.. maybe we need to start excluding the PM etc from the National Remembrance Service.. protocol be damned.. nothing is written in stone...rong


Title: Re: CFB Gagetown - Toxic Chemicals - 1956-1984
Post by: Kenneth H. Young on September 29, 2009, 03:48:34 pm
CFB Gagetown Class Actions in Jeopardy
 
Ottawa's and their (what I consider) questionable third partied Dow and Pharmacia's win in the New Brunswick class action courts against Spalding, blocking Gagetown victims from even launching a class action law suit in New Brunswick, has embolden them to try the same in Newfoundland, using pretty much the same arguments.
 
In most ways, Dow and Monsanto (Pharmacia) make the same argument about manageability and lack of commonality to each court.  If their appeal is allowed in Newfoundland and certification is dismissed in Saskatchewan, subject to appeals, class members would have to bring their own individual actions or not sue at all.

 

It is hard for me to personally understand how Ottawa and the chemical industry can claim in one court that they believe there should only be one court case and that being in New Brunswick and then they use all means to prevent that very same New Brunswick certification. I am also having trouble with Dow and Monsanto (Paramecia) even being in this case at all. We never sued them and even Ottawa has only brought them in as third parties concerning the 1966 and 67, US chemical use in Gagetown. Both Dow and Pharmacia have denied providing the agent orange that was used in 1966/67, so why are they allowed to argue the remaining 29 years and over 3 million pounds/liters and the Canadian use of toxic pesticides at Base Gagetown?

 

The problem lies in the detail, much of which is under a court order and can not be made public as of yet but basically it boils down to... If the Victims and general public don't start to make their voices and opinions heard, on how both the veterans and civilians are being done by in this case, if we continue to allow our Government to use our own unlimited amounts of Tax dollars to defeat us in court, if we continue to allow Ottawa to choose which and even if they will compensate people for their government mistakes and if we continue to be lead quietly like sheep to the slaughter, Canada is doomed to the dictatorship we ourselves vote in... and what's more, we will deserver it.

 
 
Cpl. Kenneth H. Young CD (ret)


Title: Re: CFB Gagetown - Toxic Chemicals - 1956-1984
Post by: rong on September 30, 2009, 02:51:06 pm
Right on Ken, i couldnt agree with you more. We need to get rid of the cowardly dictators now running this country and stealing people blind..I would request the Auditor General to check out the expenditures of the Government , for nothing more than their own egos..it has nothing to do with whats best for all...rong


Title: Re: CFB Gagetown - Toxic Chemicals - 1956-1984
Post by: Kenneth H. Young on December 05, 2009, 03:50:06 pm
http://communities.canada.com/ottawacitizen/blogs/defencewatch/archive/2009/12/03/liberals-introduce-parliamentary-motion-calling-on-government-to-help-agent-orange-victims.aspx?CommentPosted=true#commentmessage

 Found in the Ottawa Citizen

LIBERALS INTRODUCE PARLIAMENTARY MOTION CALLING ON GOVERNMENT TO HELP AGENT ORANGE VICTIMS

 

By Dave Pugliese Thu, Dec 3 2009 COMMENTS(2) David Pugliese’s Defence Watch

 Filed under: Agent Orange, CFB Gagetown

 

Liberal Deputy House Leader, Marlene Jennings has introduced a motion calling on the Conservative government to assist those Canadians who were affected by the use of Agent Orange.

 

Press release from Jennings’ office:

 

“Between 1956 and 1984, countless Canadians have been exposed to the effects of toxic herbicides including Agent Orange, Agent Purple and Agent White,” said Mrs. Jennings. “It is the duty of this government to rectify this situation and to assist these victims and their families.”

 

Agent Orange is a highly toxic chemical herbicide that when used on plants, causes their leaves to fall off. Although it commonly used by the United States during the Vietnam War, according to documents obtained through the Access to Information Act in 2005, over three million litres of these toxic herbicides were sprayed as part of a testing program in the area surrounding Canadian Forces Base Gagetown, in New Brunswick, between 1956 and 1984.

 

“Approximately 315,000 Canadian soldiers trained at CFB Gagetown during this period of time,” said Ujjal Dosanjh, Liberal Critic for National Defence. “Hundreds of thousands of civilians, who used this training area for recreation, may also have also been exposed to these chemicals.”

 

Exposure to Agent Orange has been linked to numerous medical diseases, including various forms of cancer, tumours, and mental and physical disabilities.  Victims, and their children, have repeatedly demanded that the federal government hold a full public inquiry on the issue.

 

Mrs. Jennings’ motion, which is endorsed by the Agent Orange Association of Canada Inc., calls upon the government to conduct this inquiry. In particular, the motion demands that the federal government use the remaining $48 million previously allocated for ex-gratia payments to Agent Orange victims for an inquiry, as well as that this money be used for the medical testing of victims.

 

Mr. Rob Oliphant, who is the Liberal Critic for Veterans Affairs, expressed his support for the motion. “The Prime Minister, in 2006, promised to conduct an investigation into this matter. Now, almost four years later, victims continue to wait, while this government continues to sit on its hands,” said Mr. Oliphant.

 

Mrs. Jennings has reiterated her support for the victims. “These individuals were serving their country, and now are experiencing life-threatening medical conditions,” said Mrs. Jennings. “The Harper government has an obligation to get to the bottom of this issue and to stand up for all victims of this tragedy.”

 

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Your Comments

 Marilynn Kirchgessner

PM Harper stood up in Woodstock, N.B in January, 2006 and in his pre-election speech promised, once elected, compensation for EVERYONE exposed to the SPRAYING FROM 1956-1984.  Not just for exposure to Agent Orange but our exposure to all the other just as deadly herbicides that DND sprayed during those 28 years.  Once elected, he did not do this.  He lied.  Instead, he made this an American issue by allowing compensation to only 2% of the people exposed to the few gallons of Agent Orange sprayed for 7 days in 1966 and 1967 by the U.S military.  What about the thousands of victims, both military and civilian, who were exposed to these deadly herbicides year in and year out for 28 years?  What about the military who trained there during those years and the civilians who live in communities surrounding the Base who were exposed? These people are sick, dying and too many have died already.  Nor has DND taken responsibility for what they did to.  We DEMAND a public inquiry so that the magnitude of what happened at Gagetown will be told to the world and the government will take responsibility for what they did and do the right thing!  We demand compensation for ALL exposed to ALL the chemicals sprayed during those 28 years by DND, as promised by Harper!

December 04, 2009

 

 

Kenneth H Young

Although the Liberal party of Canada under Mr. Martin had the chance to do exactly what Liberal Deputy House Leader Marlene Jennings is asking for here, they refused at the time when the Conservative Party MP's while in opposition and lead by Greg Thompson rants in both the House of Commons and the Senate Committee on National Defence and Veterans Affairs asked, no demanded the very same. Once in power absolutely nothing was done. Let's face it ex-gratia payments, where Ottawa accepts absolutely no guilt or responsibility for what they did to Canadian Soldiers, are nothing more then blood and hush money, which hasn't worked.

 

I myself wrote to the leaders and Veterans Affairs critic of all opposition parties requesting their Parties position on CFB Gagetown Victims and to date have only received replies from Peter Stoffer Veterans Affairs critic for the NDP, regardless of this the Agent Orange Association of BC. also endorses this motion.

 

We would have liked to see Mr. Ignatieff being a lot more vocal and supportive of this motion and maybe even joining hands with the NDP, and Block in a united front on this issue. However most of the Liberal MP's on the committee having just shot down bill C201 which would have benefited all veterans, there is much doubt in the minds of all veterans as to the sincerity of Liberal Party towards Veterans issues as well as this motion. I guess it is up to the Liberal Party to prove me wrong, or is this just another Stephen Harper-type Woodstock speech. But I will admit just like the Harper's speech, it looks good in print.

 

Only time will tell if this is too little too late to win the hearts and minds of Veterans and of course their over 600,000 votes. I suppose that if there is a full public and judicial inquiry in progress or if the government was forced to actually carry out what Mr. Harper promised in his Woodstock speech, it would go a long way to recover many of the life-long Liberals that the Party lost over the mishandling of this issue.

 

Cpl. Kenneth H. Young CD (ret)

 
 
 


Title: Re: CFB Gagetown - Toxic Chemicals - 1956-1984
Post by: Kenneth H. Young on December 05, 2009, 03:51:15 pm
Subject: Marlene Jennings holds News Conference on Agent Orange Motion


MEDIA ADVISORY

 

For Immediate Release

December 3, 2009

 

Marlene Jennings holds News Conference on Agent Orange Motion

 

OTTAWA - Liberal Deputy House Leader, the Honourable Marlene Jennings, will hold a news conference to discuss her recent motion calling on the Conservative government to hold a full public inquiry for the victims of Agent Orange.

 

Date:               December 8, 2009

Time:              11:00 a.m.

Location:        National Press Theatre, 150 Wellington Street, Ottawa

Who:               The Honourable Marlene Jennings, P.C., M.P.,

Deputy House Leader for the Official Opposition and

Liberal Critic for Democratic Reform and Government Ethics

 

                        The Honourable Ujjal Dosanjh, P.C., M.P.

                                    Liberal Critic for National Defence

 

                        Mr. Rob Oliphant, M.P.

                                    Liberal Critic for Veterans Affairs

 

                        Ms. Carol Brown Parker

                                    Agent Orange Association of Canada, Inc.

 

The National Press Theatre is only accessible to journalists accredited through the Parliamentary Press Gallery.

 

http://marlenejennings.liberal.ca/en/news/n17054_jennings-introduces-motion-on-behalf-of-agent-orange-victims           

 


Title: Re: CFB Gagetown - Toxic Chemicals - 1956-1984
Post by: rong on December 14, 2009, 01:49:36 pm
Well Ken , while i continue to back you all who have been posoneed by our own government, i no longer believe in anything ANY Liberal says.. they lost all credoibility with ne when they chose to back Bill C-201 , for 2 votes in the House, and then turned tables on the committee vote , and eklected to abstain.. which was nothing more than VOTING WITH THE CONSERVATIVES..OBVIOUSLY DUE TO SOME BACK ROOM DEAL.. ..NO> NO.. the LIBERALS ARE DEAD IN THE WATER WITH ME.. I CALL FOR ALL OF THEM TO RESIGN AND GO DO SOMETHING ELSE.. THEY ARE TURNCOATS.. AND I AWARD THEM ALL A WHITE FEATHER FOR THEIR COWARDICE,..RONG


Title: Re: CFB Gagetown - Toxic Chemicals - 1956-1984
Post by: Kenneth H. Young on January 11, 2010, 05:01:00 pm
from our lawyers in the clas action law suit.

From: Casey Churko
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 2:16 PM
To: 'Cpl. Kenneth H. Young CD (ret)'
Subject: RE: Question


Justice Zarzeczny dismissed the certification motion in Saskatchewan.  He said how great he thought Justice McNally’s reasons were in New Brunswick and followed his reasoning there – i.e. too  many individual issues regarding who was there, where, and when, and how they were potentially exposed. 

 

We applied for leave to appeal, and the motion is currently scheduled to be heard in the Saskatchewan Court of Appeal on February 24, 2010, but the Government is trying to adjourn.  If the motion is dismissed, we may have to advance the actions in other provinces in a series of smaller class actions rather than one large national class action. 

 

If the Newfoundland Court of Appeal allows the government’s appeal on similar reasoning, or if we succeed and the Supreme Court of Canada overturns the NLCA, then class members may have to file their own actions or not sue at all.  Mr. Merchant, Q.C. will decide how to advance the various class actions in the different courts as the decisions come in. 

 

Class members may want to now file individual actions because of how long the process takes.  I estimate at least another year before there is greater finality for or against whether and where any class action may proceed.



Title: Re: CFB Gagetown - Toxic Chemicals - 1956-1984
Post by: rong on February 18, 2010, 01:52:53 pm
The actions of this Gov against.. AGAINST  the people they swear to serve is just plain despicable..i wonder what people around the world are thinking of us now?? Just a total disgrace  to the humanity , or lack of to their felow man to even TRY to maintain their innocence..DISGUSTING... rong


Title: Re: CFB Gagetown - Toxic Chemicals - 1956-1984 talk with Veterans Ombudsman
Post by: Kenneth H. Young on March 25, 2010, 11:41:43 am
We had a one and a half hour private presentation with Mr Stogran and his team.

Yesterday, March 23, 2010 at 13:00 hrs. Kelly Franklin, Gary Goode, Celeste Sampson (A BC member of Widows on a Warpath) and I gave a CFB Gagetown (Chemical Defoliation Program) presentation to The Veterans Ombudsman Mr. Stogran and his five man team in Legion 172, Esquimalt BC.
 
We arrived a bit early (Military training doesn't allow me to do any differently) and we proceeded to do Recce to place. Kelly and I had been there before when I gave a speech about Gagetown for the 2005 election. We were expected by the Legion and, well received by them and were later presented their own board room to conduct our interview and presentations.
 
Mr. Stogran and his team arrived about 20 minutes later and we began introducing ourselves and got into some small talk. We had just eaten but he and his team hadn't and they wanted to get on with the presentation and eat later.
 
As pre arranged Gary started with his very well research presentation concerning Cantox Environmental and their past incorrect assessments, demonstrated that their employees were in fact ex-Health Canada and in one case an ex-Dow Chemical/Health Canada employee. He demonstrated how much and how often they have been cleaning up Government messes or rather white washing them. Meg Sears presentation which is a couple of hundred pages totally destroying the Cantox report was presented to them.
 
He then went on to demonstrate how much government and chemical industry Dalhousie has been granted since their favorable report for the BGAFFP and I mentioned how they had watered down the results by (1) not contacting one single veteran who was in Gagetown at the time of the spraying, using instead recently arrived soldiers and (2) by adding 40,000 citizens from Fredericton who were no where near any of the sprayings. Adding that they might as well have done the report on people from Moscow, for all that it actually pertained to Gagetown.
 
Gary then went into showing how the VAC has discontinued giving the benefit of the doubt to Veterans when it comes to CFB Gagetown, using his own file and that of others who have received a pension with the exact same conditions. the numbers were given that as of Jan 10, 2010 there had been 3071 pension requests for CFB Gagetown and AO wile only 36 pensions had been granted or just over 1%, about the same as the ex-gratia payments did.
 
I then tied them all together presented some more insight to the problems which Gary had been talking about and passed the floor over to Kelly.
 
Kelly, presented documentation tying the US and Canadian Government collaborations into not only the 66/67 2 and 1/2 barrels of chemical but 61 to date chemical testing's including the US Air Force hiring 10 times in 65 and 66 an Okanagan Helicopter to spray as much as 55,616 gals in 15 days in 65. He also using documentation demonstrated that it was not only related to SEA (South East Asia) but that that the money for the Canadian firm was paid from a SEA account.
 
I at this point interrupted to point out that even though they didn't mention which chemicals were sprayed of where they were sprayed, that we can assume that because of the date and the fact that almost all other chemicals had already been tested in CFB Gagetown, that these chemicals would have had to have been Agent White and that because the Canadian government has assured us that the only spraying of Vietnam Chemicals took place in CFB Gagetown we can also assume that this spraying did also. and that the amounts of chemicals were not neither on the DND list nor in their totals for chemicals used in CFB Gagetown.
 
Kelly continued by presenting his own time line of chemical use in Gagetown when compared against the time line of US chemicals used in Vietnam which clearly demonstrated that every single chemical use in Vietnam was first tested in CFB Gagetown before it was ever used in Vietnam. The head of Vietnam and SEA spraying operations was also often in CFB Gagetown as an advisor on our spray program and that even in their (the US Military) manual on the spraying operation for South East Asia, CFB Gagetown is mentioned and this manual has the very same project number as many of the Canadian Documents we have received.
 
Basically Kelly proved with documents that CFB Gagetown was a chemical test sight for the US military and the US war effort in SEA.
 
Kelly had many more documents but on DVD which would be past on the the Ombudsman's staff.
 
Celeste Sampson, told of her story and how she was denied both pension and ex-gratia payments and that on appeal she was told that she wasn't eligible because her husband was on leave during the spraying. Note: Her husband John had also died before Harpers Feb 6th date.
 
I then took the floor and tied all of our presentations together. I didn't have much to say at the meeting because I had already sent my presentation to all parties concerned and answered questions instead.
 
My presentation concerned debunking the rhetoric of Ottawa, DND and Greg Thompson. I showed beyond any doubt that many of the chemicals Ottawa had been spraying were unregistered chemicals and even the ones that were should never have been registered because both they and the chemical industry had never done the required tests or studied to have them registered, that the chemical industry had not been making our chemical differently. I proved that that Dow Chemical knew about the dioxin problem with Dow Chemical internal documents and I also told him that everyone needs to start looking at Agent White with HCB.
 
The idea that Ottawa would be off the hook because they lost the documents was also discussed and we let him know that there was one hell of a lot of documents out there if someone had the power to court order them. We explained the condition and the continued pollution at CFB Gagetown and that soldiers are still at danger.
 
I showed them the math on how many people should have been compensated by BGAFFP's own documents and that if it was designed to provide for only 4,500 that Ottawa already knew how many were dead. I demonstrated the costs of medications and uncovered medical procedures which many would have to pay out of pocket, told them my Gagetown story, showed them how the Freedom of information is being denied by inflating the number of pages covering even the smallest of subjects due mostly to Email.
 
Needless to say I did insert, "MY OPINION."
 
We wrapped up by presenting him with hundreds of pages and one DVD of documentation collaborating each and every point which we brought up.
 
Mr. Stogran Asked what we were hoping for from his office and we mentioned a Boots on the ground sort of a presumptive clause such as the US has for US soldiers in Vietnam and his recommendation for a Full public and Judicial Inquiry to be created. He then asked me if the only solution was to close down Gagetown and I replied absolutely not and that if Denang Vietnam  and some of the rivers in the US can be cleaned up so can Gagetown. That it was only a matter of money and the will. Also that this approach would in fact create even more jobs. I also mentioned that as the word gets out about the pollution still there, that foreign countries will be less willing to send their soldiers, so the clean up should be started ASAP.
 
It must be mentioned that both Mr. Stogran and his team's mouths dropped in disbelief and shock many time during our presentation and his team were chomping at the bit to get our documentation, and that we presented no statements which were not backed up with documentation, well except my opinion. LOL
 
We were asked for our Email addresses and phone numbers because he wants his office and investigators to keep in touch with us as he knew that we had not presented him with even 1% of the documents that we have nor the insight from having read them all and connected many of the pieces.
 
All in All I believe that we all came away from this meeting with very positive feelings. We were told that much of this and the information that we gave him would be put up on his web site.
 
We shall see.


Ken Young


Title: Re: CFB Gagetown - Toxic Chemicals - 1956-1984
Post by: Kenneth H. Young on April 01, 2010, 05:04:19 pm
April 1, 2010 

http://www.thetelegram.com/index.cfm?sid=334996&sc=79

The St. John's Telegram

Judge halts Agent Orange class-action lawsuit
Court

by ROSIE GILLINGHAM

A Court of Appeal has decertified a class-action lawsuit relating to Agent Orange at a former military base in New Brunswick.

More than 3,000 people from across Canada - including close to 70 from this province - were involved in a class-action lawsuit against the government and the chemical manufacturers.

They were seeking compensation for being exposed to Agent Orange.

However, a decision by Newfoundland and Labrador Court of Appeal Justice Margaret Cameron to overturn a previous ruling by a lower court means the claimants now have to file individual lawsuits.

That process would be more costly and time-consuming.

Retired Brig. Gen. Ed Ring of St. John's - who put his name forward on behalf of all the claimants in the lawsuit - was unavailable for comment Wednesday.

However, last fall, when the merits of the appeal were being argued, he told The Telegram that if those involved have to file individual lawsuits, "98 per cent of them would walk away from this, either because they can't afford it, don't have the time or are too ill."

In the fall of 2007, the federal government announced a $95.6-million compensation package for veterans and civilians who were at the base in 1966 and 1967 and were affected by the U.S. military's spraying of Agent Orange at the Gagetown base.

A one-time, lump sum payment of $20,000 each was paid to those who qualified for compensation. Roughly 4,500 people were eligible for the payment. But many believe it fell short of what the veterans and their families deserve.

In December 2007, Justice Leo Barry ruled the class-action lawsuit against the federal government would proceed in this province, as opposed to New Brunswick.

Since then, the case had been dragging through the system as the government and chemical companies file various motions and appeals.

Last fall, lawyers from both sides argued the merits of an appeal, filed by the government and the chemical manufacturers Pharmacia Corp. and Dow Chemical Group, seeking to halt the class action.

At that time, several people involved in the class action also came to court.

Their fight was all about people who were affected by the U.S. military's spraying of Agent Orange at the Canadian Forces Base Gagetown in New Brunswick.

Agent Orange - a herbicide used by the military to control vegetation and clear dense brush - was used in Gagetown between 1956 and 2004.

The powerful and toxic defoliant was proven to have caused serious long-term health effects on those who were exposed to it.

Used by the U.S. military in the Vietnam War, Agent Orange was recognized to have caused such illnesses as Hodgkin's disease, lymphoma, respiratory cancers, prostate cancer and Type 2 diabetes.

David Eaton, who represents Dow Chemical Group, had told the appeal panel that because of the large numbers involved, the diversity of the group and the specific circumstances of each, it would be difficult to deal with it as one case.

Eaton declined comment Wednesday.

Ring - who served 34 years in the military and was diagnosed with cancer in 1996 - had said they have a right to a fair hearing, despite the complexities of the case.

"This is a significant effort by large companies and the federal government to deny us that right.

"There's a common issue involved here. It's all about what happened in Gagetown."

But the appeal panel agreed with Eaton and didn't believe there was enough to establish the criteria for certification.

For example, Cameron noted that the class may have been too broad, and that it is difficult to narrow its scope.

One issue she had was with the wording of the class: it's defined as "all individuals who were at CFB Gagetown between 1956 and the present and who claim they were exposed to dangerous levels of dioxin or hexachlorobenzene while on the base."

"While various numbers have been used to estimate the potential size of the class," Cameron pointed out, "it is generally agreed that it is in excess of 400,000 people and, thus defined, includes everyone who was at CFB Gagetown, for any period of time, between 1956 and the present, whether exposed to herbicides or not.

"It lacks the rational connection to the causes of action and common issues identified by the plaintiffs. Given the pattern of spraying, its time frame and size of the base, not every one of the 400,000 plus potential claimants in fact have a claim."

She said as it's worded, it "limits class members to those who 'claim they were exposed' rather than those who 'were exposed.'"

Cameron also questioned real common issue in the class.

"The trial division judge did not address the question of whether the (primary) common issue is a common issue for the whole of the class or a series of common issues to be determined for various subclasses," Cameron said.

"Unless the relationship between various chemicals and all types of lymphomas is the same, the determination will have to be made for each type of lymphoma."

The lack of criteria for certification in this case, Cameron said, "undermines the trial division judge's decision that a class action is the preferable procedure."

rgillingham@thetelegram.com


Title: Re: CFB Gagetown - Toxic Chemicals - 1956-1984 letter to the editor
Post by: Kenneth H. Young on April 02, 2010, 11:03:53 am
Veterans Denied Justice Once Again, or is that Still.
 
Can the Canadian public ever expect to receive justice when the careers and advancements for any Judge who is ruling in their case is wholly and completely dependant on the goodwill and whim of the defendant or the Government in the same case? This is a question which tens of thousands of Canadians are asking themselves today.
 
I wish that I could say that I was surprised in the April fools day Court of Appeals' decision to decertified the class-action lawsuit relating to Agent Orange and the 29 years of toxic Defoliation chemicals used at CFB Gagetown in New Brunswick.
 
The timing of the release was also reminiscent on most Conservative Party's "Bad News", releases and being handed to the general public on the afternoon of the day before a long four day weekend and is in my view, typical Harper tactics. Canada and the media will now have four days to distance themselves from the memory and to find more recent stories with which to occupy their time and space at news time.
 
There is no doubt that the CFB Gagetown Class action case was a complicated one and any judge worth their salt, could have found as many reasons to proceed with the case as reasons to squash it, but then again when the government decided to use dozens of proven toxic chemicals over an extended time frame and then to keep it more secret then the nuclear bomb tests in the USA, Canadians need to ask themselves Why?
 
Why were the soldiers in Gagetown sent into what now can only be described as killing fields? Why is Ottawa still refusing to provide millions of documents in this case? Why is Ottawa continually refusing to have a full Public and Judicial Inquiry into this, if it was as they claim, an un-intended mistake?
 
I am asking all Canadians and all veterans to demand of Ottawa a full Public and Judicial Inquiry into Canada's own little Killing Fields and the Gagetown Atrocity. And maybe an appointed Senate isn't the only thing that we Canadians need to stop partisan Government appointments to, if we ever wish to receive Justice.
 
 
 


Title: Re: CFB Gagetown - Toxic Chemicals - 1956-1984
Post by: rong on May 03, 2010, 02:14:41 pm
They , the Gov.. are spending a fortune on legal beagles to find loop holes out of every responsibility.. what more needs to be said.. time for this Gov to go.. to a person..out and gone for good..rong